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		<title>By: glory</title>
		<link>http://alex.golub.name/log/2005/03/16/ok-ok-one-more-quick-thing-on-race/comment-page-1/#comment-8217</link>
		<dc:creator>glory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh hey, &lt;a href=&quot;http://edge.org/3rd_culture/leroi05/leroi05_index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fwiw&lt;/a&gt; :D&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, there will be people who object. There will be people who will say that this is a revival of racial science. Perhaps so. I would argue, however, that even if this is a revival of &lt;i&gt;racial&lt;/i&gt; science, we should engage in it for it does not follow that it is a revival of &lt;i&gt;racist&lt;/i&gt; science. Indeed, I would argue, that it is just the opposite.&lt;/blockquote&gt;cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh hey, <a href="http://edge.org/3rd_culture/leroi05/leroi05_index.html" rel="nofollow">fwiw</a> :D<br />
<blockquote>Of course, there will be people who object. There will be people who will say that this is a revival of racial science. Perhaps so. I would argue, however, that even if this is a revival of <i>racial</i> science, we should engage in it for it does not follow that it is a revival of <i>racist</i> science. Indeed, I would argue, that it is just the opposite.</p></blockquote>
<p>cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: glory</title>
		<link>http://alex.golub.name/log/2005/03/16/ok-ok-one-more-quick-thing-on-race/comment-page-1/#comment-8185</link>
		<dc:creator>glory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course, they&#039;re not mutually exclusive. rather, i suspect, they&#039;re self-reinforcing: that race is a biologically based category &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; a socially constructed label. and on that continuum (or are they separate axes?) i guess i lean more toward the &#039;socially constructed label&#039; but based, in part, on &#039;genetic distance&#039; as kerim&#039;s post alludes.

as for &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://google.com/search?q=cache:www.santafe.edu/sfi/publications/Working-Papers/01-01-003.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;strong societies&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/Econ_Articles/Command_Corporations.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;weak states&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.benkler.org/CoasesPenguin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Institutional Economics&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; might i point out douglas &lt;a href=&quot;http://edge.org/3rd_culture/foreman05/foreman05_index.html#rushkoff&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rushkoff&#039;s recent response&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.waggish.org/2005/03/richard_foreman_the_gods_are_pounding_my_head.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;richard foreman&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.interconnected.org/notes/2005/03/etcon/tue_neumann.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;george&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://craphound.com/etcon2005-dyson.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dyson&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s &lt;i&gt;edge&lt;/i&gt; speculation on, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://techcentralstation.com/031805B.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the replacement of complex inner density&lt;/a&gt; with a new kind of self&quot;â€”&lt;a href=&quot;http://salon.com/books/int/2005/03/04/de_zengotita/index_np.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mediated by technology&lt;/a&gt; such that we essentially become &#039;thin clients&#039; who access &lt;a href=&quot;http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1418295,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cultural institutions&lt;/a&gt; as needed for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/001209.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;meaning and instruction&lt;/a&gt; in our lives?

anyway, rushkoff&#039;s response emphasized a new &quot;renaissance&quot; taking place, but one that values &quot;the power of collectivism.&quot; he cites as examples:&lt;blockquote&gt;The open source development model, shunning the corporate secrets of the competitive marketplace, promotes the free and open exchange of the codes underlying the software we use. Anyone and everyone is invited to make &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/ab33baa0ec2390357863935709927f7e/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;improvements and additions&lt;/a&gt;, and the resulting projectsâ€”like the Firefox browserâ€”are more nimble, stable, and user-friendly. Likewise, the development of &lt;a href=&quot;http://ud.lir.be/tiki-index.php?page=Money&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;complementary currency models&lt;/a&gt;, such as Ithaca Hours, allow people to agree together what their goods and services are worth to one another without &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Late+Breaking+Commentary/FF/2005/FF_March_05.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;involving the Fed&lt;/a&gt;. They don&#039;t need to compete for currency in order to pay back the central creditorâ€”currency is an enabler of collaborative efforts rather than purely competitive ones.&lt;/blockquote&gt;oh and bringing it back to genetics, just thought i&#039;d point out some research into &lt;a href=&quot;http://economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3764585&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new DNA base pairs&lt;/a&gt; :D&lt;blockquote&gt;Since such organisms (simple yeasts or bacteria) would carry a brand-new genetic code, they would in effect be new life forms. Organisms with more than the standard two base pairs would be able to make more than the standard 20 amino acids. Thus, such organisms could make novel, unnatural proteins.&lt;/blockquote&gt;here&#039;s an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=987697&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;earlier article&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;i&gt;the economist&lt;/i&gt;, btw.

cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course, they&#8217;re not mutually exclusive. rather, i suspect, they&#8217;re self-reinforcing: that race is a biologically based category <i>and</i> a socially constructed label. and on that continuum (or are they separate axes?) i guess i lean more toward the &#8216;socially constructed label&#8217; but based, in part, on &#8216;genetic distance&#8217; as kerim&#8217;s post alludes.</p>
<p>as for &#8220;<a href="http://google.com/search?q=cache:www.santafe.edu/sfi/publications/Working-Papers/01-01-003.pdf" rel="nofollow">strong societies</a> and <a href="http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/Econ_Articles/Command_Corporations.html" rel="nofollow">weak states</a> and <a href="http://www.benkler.org/CoasesPenguin.html" rel="nofollow">New Institutional Economics</a>,&#8221; might i point out douglas <a href="http://edge.org/3rd_culture/foreman05/foreman05_index.html#rushkoff" rel="nofollow">rushkoff&#8217;s recent response</a> to <a href="http://www.waggish.org/2005/03/richard_foreman_the_gods_are_pounding_my_head.html" rel="nofollow">richard foreman</a>&#8216;s and <a href="http://www.interconnected.org/notes/2005/03/etcon/tue_neumann.txt" rel="nofollow">george</a> <a href="http://craphound.com/etcon2005-dyson.txt" rel="nofollow">dyson</a>&#8216;s <i>edge</i> speculation on, &#8220;<a href="http://techcentralstation.com/031805B.html" rel="nofollow">the replacement of complex inner density</a> with a new kind of self&#8221;â€”<a href="http://salon.com/books/int/2005/03/04/de_zengotita/index_np.html" rel="nofollow">mediated by technology</a> such that we essentially become &#8216;thin clients&#8217; who access <a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1418295,00.html" rel="nofollow">cultural institutions</a> as needed for <a href="http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/001209.html" rel="nofollow">meaning and instruction</a> in our lives?</p>
<p>anyway, rushkoff&#8217;s response emphasized a new &#8220;renaissance&#8221; taking place, but one that values &#8220;the power of collectivism.&#8221; he cites as examples:<br />
<blockquote>The open source development model, shunning the corporate secrets of the competitive marketplace, promotes the free and open exchange of the codes underlying the software we use. Anyone and everyone is invited to make <a href="http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/ab33baa0ec2390357863935709927f7e/index.html" rel="nofollow">improvements and additions</a>, and the resulting projectsâ€”like the Firefox browserâ€”are more nimble, stable, and user-friendly. Likewise, the development of <a href="http://ud.lir.be/tiki-index.php?page=Money" rel="nofollow">complementary currency models</a>, such as Ithaca Hours, allow people to agree together what their goods and services are worth to one another without <a href="http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Late+Breaking+Commentary/FF/2005/FF_March_05.htm" rel="nofollow">involving the Fed</a>. They don&#8217;t need to compete for currency in order to pay back the central creditorâ€”currency is an enabler of collaborative efforts rather than purely competitive ones.</p></blockquote>
<p>oh and bringing it back to genetics, just thought i&#8217;d point out some research into <a href="http://economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3764585" rel="nofollow">new DNA base pairs</a> :D<br />
<blockquote>Since such organisms (simple yeasts or bacteria) would carry a brand-new genetic code, they would in effect be new life forms. Organisms with more than the standard two base pairs would be able to make more than the standard 20 amino acids. Thus, such organisms could make novel, unnatural proteins.</p></blockquote>
<p>here&#8217;s an <a href="http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=987697" rel="nofollow">earlier article</a> from <i>the economist</i>, btw.</p>
<p>cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://alex.golub.name/log/2005/03/16/ok-ok-one-more-quick-thing-on-race/comment-page-1/#comment-8181</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glory --
Kerim&#039;s post touches on the NYT editorial as well as the Stanford study -- in fact the existence of those two pieces is why I wrote this entry. Thanks for reminding me of them again, though. Galton is, of course, one of the greatest Victorian polymaths and is widely remembered for quantifying everything. There was a picture of him carved into the entrace of the Social Sciences building at my university. As a student I heard several funny stories about his penchant for self-experimentation. Unforutnately, as one of the leading figures in the early Eugenics movement his legacy is somewhat controversial today.

I think what makes _me_ uncomfortable personally -- and this was the point of this entry -- is that some people can&#039;t imagine that some traits could be determined by anything _other_ than genetic innateness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glory &#8211;<br />
Kerim&#8217;s post touches on the NYT editorial as well as the Stanford study &#8212; in fact the existence of those two pieces is why I wrote this entry. Thanks for reminding me of them again, though. Galton is, of course, one of the greatest Victorian polymaths and is widely remembered for quantifying everything. There was a picture of him carved into the entrace of the Social Sciences building at my university. As a student I heard several funny stories about his penchant for self-experimentation. Unforutnately, as one of the leading figures in the early Eugenics movement his legacy is somewhat controversial today.</p>
<p>I think what makes _me_ uncomfortable personally &#8212; and this was the point of this entry &#8212; is that some people can&#8217;t imagine that some traits could be determined by anything _other_ than genetic innateness</p>
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		<title>By: glory</title>
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		<dc:creator>glory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, wading into the debate on whether race is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128221025.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;biologically based category&lt;/a&gt; or a socially constructed label, a stanford genetics professor has found 326 genetic markers that can be used to accurately classify people into common &#039;racial&#039; groupings. here&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v76n2/41839/brief/41839.abstract.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abstract&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41919-2005Mar16.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interesting&lt;/a&gt; in light of the summers&#039; brouhaha over his speculation on women&#039;s intelligence in certain fields. i guess it makes some people uncomfortable that some phenotypic traits may be genetically innate or predetermined to some extent.&lt;blockquote&gt;Human X Chromosome Coded: Sequence Confirms How Sex Evolved and Explains Some Male, Female Differences&lt;/blockquote&gt;there was also some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/14/opinion/14leroi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nytimes coverage&lt;/a&gt; on the issue the other day. oh and btw, jim holt had a great &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/?050124crbo_books&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new yorker article&lt;/a&gt; on francis galton recently:&lt;blockquote&gt;Galton was one of the great Victorian innovators. He explored unknown regions of Africa. He pioneered the fields of weather forecasting and fingerprinting. He discovered statistical rules that revolutionized the methodology of science. Yet today he is most often remembered for an achievement that puts him in a decidedly sinister light: he was the father of eugenics, the science, or pseudoscience, of &quot;improving&quot; the human race by selective breeding.&lt;/blockquote&gt;he was also charles darwin&#039;s cousin :D

cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, wading into the debate on whether race is a <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128221025.htm" rel="nofollow">biologically based category</a> or a socially constructed label, a stanford genetics professor has found 326 genetic markers that can be used to accurately classify people into common &#8216;racial&#8217; groupings. here&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v76n2/41839/brief/41839.abstract.html" rel="nofollow">abstract</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41919-2005Mar16.html" rel="nofollow">interesting</a> in light of the summers&#8217; brouhaha over his speculation on women&#8217;s intelligence in certain fields. i guess it makes some people uncomfortable that some phenotypic traits may be genetically innate or predetermined to some extent.<br />
<blockquote>Human X Chromosome Coded: Sequence Confirms How Sex Evolved and Explains Some Male, Female Differences</p></blockquote>
<p>there was also some <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/14/opinion/14leroi.html" rel="nofollow">nytimes coverage</a> on the issue the other day. oh and btw, jim holt had a great <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/?050124crbo_books" rel="nofollow">new yorker article</a> on francis galton recently:<br />
<blockquote>Galton was one of the great Victorian innovators. He explored unknown regions of Africa. He pioneered the fields of weather forecasting and fingerprinting. He discovered statistical rules that revolutionized the methodology of science. Yet today he is most often remembered for an achievement that puts him in a decidedly sinister light: he was the father of eugenics, the science, or pseudoscience, of &#8220;improving&#8221; the human race by selective breeding.</p></blockquote>
<p>he was also charles darwin&#8217;s cousin :D</p>
<p>cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am consistently grateful that I was forced to take introductory courses in all four fields (five if you count visual anthropology), although I still resent the fact that one of my Physical Anthropology professors marked me down on a paper simply because I disagreed with his Popperian view of science...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am consistently grateful that I was forced to take introductory courses in all four fields (five if you count visual anthropology), although I still resent the fact that one of my Physical Anthropology professors marked me down on a paper simply because I disagreed with his Popperian view of science&#8230;</p>
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